#9 The Heart of Collaboration: A Conversation With Phil Keaggy & Randy Stonehill
Episode 9 | 32 Minutes | Mar 18, 2025
In this episode of The Collective Impact Podcast, we sit down with legendary musicians Phil Keaggy and Randy Stonehill, whose friendship and musical partnership have spanned decades. They share stories of their creative journey—how collaboration has shaped their music, their faith, and their approach to working with others.
From the vulnerability of sharing ideas to the humility needed to lift up others, this conversation goes beyond music and into what it means to work together for something greater than ourselves. Whether you’re a musician, a nonprofit leader, or someone who wants to collaborate better in any area of life, this episode is full of wisdom, laughter, and practical insights on the heart of collaboration.
In this Episode:
How Phil Keaggy & Randy Stonehill’s friendship shaped their musical careers
The role of trust and vulnerability in creative partnerships
Why pride and the need for credit can block collaboration—and how to overcome it
Lessons in mentoring and creating space for younger artists
How the principles of collaboration in music apply to ministry and leadership
Stories from their decades of making music and serving the Kingdom
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Randy Stonehill
A pioneering voice in contemporary Christian music, Randy Stonehill has been crafting heartfelt songs since the early days of the Jesus Music movement. Known for his storytelling, humor, and authentic faith, Randy’s songs have resonated with audiences for generations. His collaborations with Phil Keaggy and other artists have resulted in some of the most beloved records in Christian music history.
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Phil Keaggy
Phil Keaggy is a Grammy-nominated guitarist, singer, and songwriter, widely regarded as one of the greatest fingerstyle guitarists in contemporary Christian music. Over his decades-long career, he has recorded more than 60 albums, both as a solo artist and in collaboration with other musicians. His work blends technical mastery with deep faith, and he continues to inspire artists and listeners alike.
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Hey everybody, welcome to, boy oh boy, a unique episode of the Collective Impact Podcast. This is a place where we're exploring how our impact can multiply when we connect with other individuals and their journeys, and see what kind of passionate things can happen as a result when Jesus brings us all together.
I've got a doozy for you today. I'm so excited about it. Um, two, two longtime friends who have been musical collaborators for a very long time, uh, agreed to come together in, in the studio and to talk about collaboration, which is at the very heart of what One Collective is all about. 📍 I really hope you love this as much as I enjoy being a part of it. So , meet, Phil Keggy and Randy Stonehill!
You know, guys, I have been thinking about this idea. The organization that I serve in and lead, we have as our mission statement that we actually bring people together to serve communities around the world. And I recognize that when we created that it was kind of a bold thing to say, because in the world of nonprofits, we'd like to say that we partner together and work together, but we often really don't do it that well.
And so for me, I just believed many years ago when. I sort of came up with that, that this could be something that could really make us helpful to the rest of the kingdom. So let me minimize that screen. We bring people together to serve these, communities around the world. Now there's another part of me that some of, you know, and don't know maybe.
but I have been playing jazz music since I was 13 years old. And, one of the things that I have come to realize about myself is how much I value collaboration. So to me, it's not a. big accident that our mission statement would have something to do with collaboration. So if you were to investigate our organization, you'd find out we're into holistic ministry.
we want to be collaborative and we want to do it in a sustainable way. So I had this crazy idea to bring together a couple of old friends who are brilliant musicians and to ask them to talk with me about collaboration.
because they understand what it is, they've done it together for years. They've done it with other musicians. They've even done it with other nonprofits. So I am so pumped to introduce my friend, Phil Keggy and my friend, Randy Stonehill. Welcome you two.
So if you don't know who these guys are, part of it may be that you're really young Phil, how would you, if you were going to introduce Randy to our audience, how would you introduce Randy?
I love his heart for people, for the gospel.
I love his dedication to his craft, to his artistry. And I'm being serious about this. I've been friends with Randy for 53 years now, something like that. Right.
And, he's one of my favorite people in the world. You know, he really is.
thank you
Randy Stonehill, your turn how would you introduce Phil Keggy to this audience?
I would say that, he is indeed a rare talent, a rare gift to the planet. I jokingly tell him he's, the man who plays like with the invisible third hand.
but I think one of the most special things about him that comes through in his work and his interaction with people is that though he really, is a rare stellar artist.
his lack of pretense, is something that really sort of speaks Jesus, to the world around him. that's always touched me, also just made it so, joyful to work with him. because he knows who the real star is, and that's Jesus.
And it just comes through in every facet of his life, and I love him dearly.
Well, that's really cool. I've known you guys for several years now, Phil, you and I have played together a number of times. I the saxophone player, standing behind in case you
I do. Yeah,
Yeah,
I do.
And Randy, you've never actually asked me to play with you, but we've been friends for quite a long time now.
Yeah, true, true. Like I said, but think of it as delayed gratification. Or I'll think of it as delayed gratification.
yeah. Whichever way that goes. Guys, it is just a blast. And
such a blessing to me to have you on here. Cause I do really admire you guys a lot.
I'm speaking to you as musicians, Jesus, guys and musicians, but when I say the word collaboration, what does that mean to you?
Phil, let's start with you.
Well, you know, when I was, a younger musician in my teens, I do recall that it was through other young guitar players that I learned a great deal. And then when I got into my bands, we collaborated together. when I joined, John Safera and we started a group called Glass Harp with Daniel Pecchio, You know, we really learned off of each other.
And so we developed as musicians because we are collaborating together. Then I went into a solo thing through the seventies and eighties. and then, you know, I wrote most of my songs myself, but then in the last, I'd say 20 years, I would have to say that I am so grateful to other people because the projects that I've done, musical projects, have been collaborations.
You know, Randy and I did an album called Mystery Highway together, and that was one of the most enjoyable experiences of my recording career. We had a great time. And then I've done, collaborations with people like Jeff Johnson and, a group called Music Tellers and, recently I, I've collaborated with Neil Morse and we've, on a new album together, collaborating with Byron House and Chester Thompson, great musicians.
including Neil. It,
when you say like, collaborated with, what does that look What that
that our ideas, we feed each other with our ideas. I did an album last year called Pilgrimage, where I really depended on other people's voices to help make the album more diverse, you know, and just have more, personality, just and it turned out beautiful.
In fact, the lyrics that I sang to that album were written by Kevin Belmonte, who is a prolific writer and a biographer. and then I recently collaborated with Malcolm Guy and we did an album called Strings and Sonnets where I accompanied him he's reading his sonnets. And so we have a full album of that And so collaboration means working together and working with God, you know and letting God inspire us and then being in fellowship musically Lyrically, and many times oftentimes in prayer as well.
Randy, where do you go with that word collaboration? And feel free to share anything or pick up on something Phil might've said.
it always speaks to me of being willing to listen, and also, there's a vulnerability, involved that's really important for the creative flow just like, and I love what Phil said about, working together and, working with God, you know, having him in the middle.
But there's a vulnerability about collaboration that's really important. I forgot who it was that I was collaborating with at the time. might've been Terry Taylor, who's just a wonderful, singer songwriter, just brilliant guy. But the first time we were collaborating, I could tell he just seemed a little cautious.
He knew how much I respected him and things got, you know, got rolling it was a wonderful afternoon. And at the end of that time, I said, man, thank you for doing this. This is so cool. And he said, well, thank you. He said, I usually don't collaborate. I said, well, you're the point man of the Daniel Amos band. He goes, yeah, but I'll come to the table with an idea. Running up the flagpole and then Jerry Chamberlain, one of the other guys would go, Yeah, I think I know where that should go and they'll take it to their separate corner.
So we'll be in our separate corner and then we'll come back and compare notes. that's one kind of collaboration, but I think the richer, quite often more fruitful collaboration is when you're there face to face and the vulnerability element. is that you've got to be willing to put all your ideas on the table, not going, okay, that might not be one of my best, or that he might think I'm stupid.
the guy I'm working with might go, that's a stupid idea. That's not the point. You put everything on the table because even a stupid idea can spark The other musician to go, Oh, Oh, okay. All right. Well, maybe that's okay. And maybe that's not the right, that's not the exact right thing, but, but, but, but it, it leads me to this place.
so listening and being vulnerable, I think is, is a really important part.
I love those two things. I love especially right at this moment, the vulnerability piece, because I think one of the tricks, especially when you're a young musician or a young painter or any art of any kind, you have to put your heart out in front of people. And the risk of that is so huge because you could be crushed that people don't like it.
And so the vulnerability you're talking about is something that can happen because there's typically trust that's being built between those two people and we're united, you know, by Jesus. But love that you said that because that's, I think the only way that the teams and organizations and musicians can truly work together is if they are building and deepening their, trust in each other.
and that goes beyond making music, of course. It, to be able to work together, you know, working together for, a good cause and for. God's work, the kingdom, and then what art out of our lives, flows, you know, the art and the beauty of what can be created, that's why I so appreciate other people's talents, not just musicians, but gifted people who do so many beautiful things, whether a decorator, someone who gardens, you know, and, my garden just happens to be the studio where I seem to really discover over and over again, not only on my own, but in collaboration with other musicians or writers.
And I think that's exciting.
I love that you've written songs together, right? what is a memorable one for you guys that was especially beautiful
As a matter of fact, there's actually a recording of us in the writing process. that, we sort of rediscovered or dusted off, and it's available on, on Bandcamp. And it was so, so great, because I remember you know, we just, we knew that the sparks were flying, and we were on this thing.
but also, it was a social evening, and we were going to have dinner. And so I remember Bernadette sort of going, Okay, boys. Can you try to kind of wind that up? Because we're, dinner's gonna, dinner's up in like 10 minutes. We're going, well, yeah,
verse. Got one more verse.
we're just gonna, yeah. Let's say moon, June, croon, something like that.
Yeah. but so that was,
Yeah, yeah, so if somebody wanted to find that, um, do you happen to, Brandy, you happen to know,
well, yeah, again, it's, it's on, I don't know if it's on your band
I have, I have it there too. Uhhuh.
Okay. And so I think it just says what Phil and Randy writing Sunday's
Yeah. Yeah. And it's band Bandcamp. Do Phil Ke You've got a Bandcamp two, don't you, Randy? Yeah. And so it's on, it's on both of it. Yeah. .
Was a great memory. Also, you know, did we write together, walk in Two Worlds?
yeah, I wrote most of it actually in New York when I was there doing concerts with Dave Perkins and, walking down the street and thinking about walking in two worlds. But I brought it to you and you jumped on it and you came up with this wonderful, almost like a Beatle esque musical break for, , She's So Heavy.
You did this wonderful progressive thing that just, completed the song and really took it to a, I think, a higher
Yeah.
And I thank you profusely.
you're welcome. You know, even Glass Harp, when we were still doing concerts, we did walk in two worlds. There's
Did you really?
YouTube. Yeah, if you if you YouTube glass heart walk in two worlds It's there. I saw it and it was done. Well, yeah, we did it Well, you wrote a good one there, buddy.
Oh.
It's so cool. You know what happens, you know, thinking of just hearing you guys talk and thinking about collaboration and vulnerability, let's pretend, a young guy, young gal comes along and they've got a musical idea and you're, trying to work with them.
if any of us were to crush them immediately, they're never going to come back with an idea. , they're kind of hurt. And so I think older musicians, older leaders, welcoming younger people to share their thoughts and ideas and those kinds of things is so, so
Oh Absolutely that that you know one of the things I realized is when I as I grew up as a musician and artist and Hopefully a minister to minister the gospel was when someone comes up to you and either ask for some advice or encouragement or wants to give a little compliment, really give them your attention and show them that you care.
Show them that you're interested because they're going to remember those few words, whatever those words are, they'll remember them. so that's something always to keep in mind. You know, that's why the word says walk in the spirit, walk in the spirit. That means Always being in tune with what God wants us to do.
That's right. yeah, and be, yeah, try to be sensitive to the spirit and just be a Christian onstage and offstage. And I don't, believe me, I'm not tooting my own horn about this, but there's a classic story about that, that Phil reminded me of because I was at one of the early CCM music conferences.
And it was early because the whole movement was early. It was like 1976. And so we were doing, some showcase material. We were doing seminars, because by God's grace, along with guys like Phil, the Lord had brought me into the ground floor of this whole musical spiritual So, there was a lunch break, and we were staying for a few days, I was with the late, great Larry Norman, and we were walking up to the cabin where we were staying, I guess Larry went in, I was about to go in, and I heard these rushed footsteps behind me, I turned around and it was this kind of.
Handsome, wide eyed kid and his friend, and he came up to me, he said, Uh, excuse me, Mr. Stonehill, he put out his hand, he said, My name's Michael Smith, and I'm from West Virginia, and I play piano, and hope to have a music ministry like you someday. And now, I've been dealing with people all day long.
And so, you know, again, this is why it's so important just to be, a servant. Don't take yourself too seriously. I just wanted to go have lunch. Right. But he, he was there. It was all excited. And he said, so, he has to start asking me a few questions and I. I, you know, I was trying to encourage him and, and share a few things with him.
And, I saw him several years later, as a matter of fact, it was Phil Keggy and I, in Boston, opening for Amy Grant on the, Straight Ahead Tour. Do you remember that? You and me in front of like 9, 000 people there in, the, Centrum or something in Boston.
Oh, trying
It's not a quiz, it's it's okay.
But anyway, my, my point is, so we did our set. went backstage, and Michael W. came back, and he said, Randy, and I said, Michael, how are you doing? I hear great things about you these days. He said, You won't remember this, but I have the photograph to prove it. He told me that story
Isn't that beautiful?
he said, I had the photograph blown up to an 8 by 12, and I had it on the wall of my music room for years.
the point I'm trying to make here, is that, he said, you know, it just really spoke to me. I just was this kid fresh out of high school with a bad surfer haircut. And my folks let me go as a graduation present to the CCM conference. But the fact that you were the same guy off stage, as you were on stage, that spoke volumes to me.
And I loved your music, Welcome to Paradise, which is a foundational record in my career. And that even made your music have more weight in life because I knew the person behind it. So like I said, I just echo what Phil said. godly lesson always keep in the front of our minds.
. So the joy for me is I've done many, many of these podcasts and interviewed a lot of different people and almost every time in one way or another, the word humility comes up being the real deal, that kind of thing.
I would have never asked you guys to be a part of this, no matter how famous you are, because unless I really knew that you're the real deal, there's a humility. And Randy, that was a great story with Michael W. And I've had the opportunity to be around both of you and be around Michael W some, and like he's still the real deal too.
I mean, he's doing big stuff. He's still doing all kinds of crazy things all over the world. But the reality is When I've seen him with people, you know, he's still got the touch of that humility thing that we've just
He does.
So
He does. Whenever I see him, he always says, What a day. he always reminds me that that album had made an impression on him. so we were talking about encouragement, you know, encouragement from others and how important that is. Like how Michael W. Smith was so encouraged by Randy taking the time for him. when I was in the 10th grade, I was traveling all by myself at the age of 16 from Ohio to California, taking my first airline flight, I was kind of scared because I was going to have to visit my sister and then. But I was just kind of insecure. And I remember there was a band with their instruments, you know, waiting at the gate for the same flight to LA. And, I recognized them after a bit and, they were the association. Do you remember the Along Comes Mary and all that?
yeah. Cherishes the word of love.
and I remember specifically, I always really liked Jim Yester's voice. You know, he had a great tenor voice and I told him about, you know, what was going on, how I just quit a band that was not working out. And I was pretty unhappy kid at the time. And he, kind of like took me under his wing, like a little brother for that, hour of waiting at the gate.
And, somehow we connected last year after all these years, I'm talking 19, 1968. And someone gave me his email address, a friend of mine who knows him, and I contacted him and he wrote me back and he goes, yes, I remember that, you know,
he's like 80 now. And he said, I'm still a folkster at heart, but I said, you know, you encouraged me, you gave me some confidence that day.
And I just really appreciate like I said, you never forget kindness when people show so much kindness you, you
That's right,
So one of the questions I wanted to ask you guys, is, you know, we've been talking about, I, really liked that. I think that's so huge to collaborating. we talked about that as, you know, being a barrier, how we hang out with people, how we treat people and that whole thing. what are some of the other barriers that get in the way of collaboration for musicians, or you guys have also partnered with organizations. Phil, I know you've, worked with, an organization. Randy, I think you have too, but what are barriers that keep collaboration from happening
well, the first thing that comes to my mind is pride.
it has been disturbing to see that as a toxic element, within the church. and also, a dividing element that comes between, ministries that are, trying to, or supposed to be focused on, on Jesus.
You know, you look through scripture and you can see. So much of what he was, sharing or pointing to was, about, collaboration, community, and the body of Christ, which is very, you know, very spirit driven, very intimate, um, community. So, yeah, so that, that's, I know it's, been troubling, I think, for, or frustrating for both me and Phil when we see, various ministries, um, that are kind of carving out their own turf, their sort of button heads.
You go, this is not how God intended it to be, and it would be so much more rich and powerful if you would really come with servants hearts and, work together. And what a rich witness that would be to a very fractured, cold world.
yeah, when Randy mentioned pride, you know, the idea of humility is seriously just being honest with each other. does it say in James, confess your faults one to another, but you may be healed. it's like, insecurity, for instance, you know, we all have a degree of insecurity, but the Lord gives us confidence.
And with that confidence, I think if we grow in love, we can learn to overcome insecurities. I've gotten my collection of them over the years. but when you get joyful you start, appreciating the gifts and other people and, Taking joy in the relationship of creating and collaborating and just being friends.
I think the best times I've ever had have been when a collaboration became a friendship,
are some ways that you guys have encouraged or fostered collaboration in your careers or in your lives?
I think being open to new ideas, getting outside your comfort level, your comfort zone, you know, I could go a certain length, but sometimes feel apprehensive. to go the full way. Like for instance, I might be a part of an album that's really an amazing project, but I don't know if I have the confidence to go on tour with that, you know, and that can disappoint other people.
But I think you somehow have to, especially as you get to my age, and you have other new priorities in your life, family, grandkids, which means more to me than actually traveling, and so sometimes you might let people down, but just still convince them, try to convince them that you care for them and show kindness and appreciation, even though you may not get on the train with them, you know,
a clip on maybe Instagram a little while ago. I think somebody sent it to me and I think it was a clip of a Ted talk that a guy had done. And he was talking about how certain people, right. Things seem to happen to them. And he was telling stories like, I'm the guy that gets the upgrade.
I'm the guy that gets, you know, like he's telling these series of things. then he says. I'm that guy and the point of his talk was for us to be generous with our energy, generous with our energy. And I like that so much. And I feel like you guys are generous with your energy.
Phil, I have a quick story. I tell this story to a lot of people about you, something you have done for me on several occasions. So there was a time in my life, guys, where I was. playing and practicing eight hours a day. a long time ago, I felt like I could stand up and play with anybody and not feel scared or intimidated.
The older I got, you know, the more I morphed into what I do now, but I still play, but I don't practice like I should. and, this is my quick Phil Keggy story because you've done this every time we play together. You've been generous with your energy. You are masterful.
We all know as a guitar player, Scott is like an, just a average player at this point in my life. Maybe good ones, but today I'm just an old guy with a cool title who gets to play sax with a cool people sometimes. Every time I play with you, you don't dumb it down for me, but you're generous with get feeding me.
You're listening to what I'm doing and you're generous with giving me moments to play that make me sound probably better than I am. I'm sure that makes sense. I don't know if you know that you do that, but you do that. You've done that every time we play together. I'll contrast that to a name of a person who I will not share because you both probably know that person who I've played with a few times, who one time I was inspired by something we were trading fours and I was inspired by something he said, or he's something he played and it made me.
I was. a little younger and a little cockier. And I took off on, all notes, you know, flying around. And I saw his eyebrow go up and all of a sudden he just shredded it. And it was a total embarrassment for me. he got standing ovation and I'm like, Oh gosh, but my point was he was not generous. people like younger musicians coming along, younger leaders coming along, they don't need us to dumb it down for them, but what they need us to do is to feed them stuff that will help them to do something great.
When I was younger my earlier bands, not the Glass Harp, but bands beyond that point, all the musicians in those bands were very excellent, But, there was one video I saw on YouTube where I was just hogging the show. And I go, man, I don't like to do that.
should have given the keyboard player a whole lot more room, more space. but I've learned to do that over the years. And, lot of my solo career has been solo work. So I'm having to do it like Randy, you know, you're on stage and you're the only band.
have to constantly play and constantly. Be aware, and I can't take a, a few steps back and hold my arms and listen to somebody else at the moment. now that I am, older and a little bit more wiser, I just really do love to lay back and listen to somebody else shine.
I love to see other people shine, and that's important for them.
experienced that with you.
So here's the question. if the CEO of a nonprofit, a global nonprofit or a local ministry, or even a pastor, if he or she invited you into their office and they said, Hey, I'm struggling at bringing unity to my. church or to my ministry or with other organizations. What would you say to them? Because they're looking at you saying, you guys do so well at getting along and working with other people and collaborating. I find it hard. What tips would you give them?
Well, the first things that come to my mind would be
discipline yourself or be intentional about being a good listener, be on your knees before the Lord. Invite the Holy Spirit to be present and to really take the lead. don't just, be busy with your own programs and your own agenda, but ask the Holy Spirit to really come and, breathe on the situation. lives really are all about, communing with, the Lord and, allowing embracing the stunning miraculous privilege of having the Holy Spirit be at work in us and through us. So I think sometimes we can make it more complex because people are broken and their lives are at different levels of spiritual growth.
can see it echoed all through the word, that God makes it pretty simple, you know, about serving one another. that has to do with being good listener. And also keep on recalibrating your focus, and allowing the Holy Spirit, seeking the Holy Spirit to direct, to have dominion.
that's what's gonna give, that's what's gonna bring unity, that's what's gonna give life.
I like the analogy that, St. Paul in the epistles, he talks about how we are members of one another, the elbow doesn't say to the wrist, you know, I don't need you or so and so on and so forth, and that We are the body of Christ, you know, especially if, he needs us and he wants us to work well together.
that shows the world that he is alive and that he is real. from the smallest to the topper of the popper most.
You guys are talking about this, both of you just kept thinking about, they'll know that you're my followers because you love one another. was asking myself in my own brain where you guys were talking, it seems so simple to love one another, what keeps that from happening.
And I think in ministries that could collaborate together. I think Randy, one of you brought up pride can sure get in the way of that. But along with that, very, very closely tied, but different is, the need to get the credit. And powerful thing is if you don't need to get the credit, You can get so much done by working together. if you come in and you're amped up to own it and be the star, not as much gets done.
I think I just read something in, a book by Smith Wigglesworth, called Increasing Faith,
uh, I wish I had it right in front of me, but yeah, he said something to the effect of, it's the person who really understands paraphrasing that God is the star.
And so he's willing, he or she is willing just to, be hidden.
and God honors that. And that's where it's that humility and that focus on Christ. that God, empowers, God uses, to flow through just someone who's just going, no, no, no, I'm honored to be God's child and to serve wherever he says, and I don't need the spotlight.
You just know the angels are smiling and the Lord goes, good, you're not going to get in my way and you're not going to get in your own way. So good. I can really use you. And I got to say this too, that hearkens back to the strange but wonderful dynamic of being on stage. it's an honor, but also as a younger musician, I found it, really unnerving. that's because, again, in my mind, focus was on me. And I didn't have a band. I couldn't say drum solo. It's just me, you know. But as God continued to sand me and mold me, I realized that, I might be the guy on stage, but actually I'm just the messenger.
I'm just a conduit. and the songs were as much, if not more about the people in the audience than they were about me. And so to get that kind of more spiritually focused perspective helped me, just to be able to rest in the Lord and to give a heartfelt performance and not tense up. Just go, yeah, you're in the spotlight, but God's the stars is not about you.
When you really get that on the heart level, it's very liberating. And it can be very liberating for. Like I said, for people in, doing ministry work that you're doing.
Here's what I've written down and tell me if this prompts anything. in relation to what is collaboration, how do we collaborate? what are the things that, hinder us from collaborating? just randomly on my notepad, we've got to take risks. we've got to listen to each other.
If we're going to collaborate, humility has to override pride. the Holy spirit is part of the collaboration process. Randy, I think it was you mentioned, we've got to recalibrate sometimes, you know, and reset. We talked about the body of Christ, we talked about love, we talked about, the need to get the credit can get in the way, Versus if you don't need the credit so much more can get done.
And then I think the last thing I caught Randy of yours was idea of recognizing. I think this is tied to humility in the pride potential problem is when we realize that we are a conduit. Through which Jesus flows to our audience, then we're not all that, cool, we're just a tool actually.
Right.
Yeah. And also you recognize that God in his largesse has bestowed this, the great honor of your being a conduit. It's a great honor that shines brighter in terms of eternal things than anything you could do to bang your own drum and go, Hey, look at me, you know?
when you got the faith that you could be used by God, you could say, I can't do it.
fabulous wordsmith.
Smith Wigglesworth. wasn't he the one who like he either had a vision or like that Satan came in his door or something and he woke up and looked at him and said, Oh, it's just you. And he went
back to sleep
That's so great. I'm gonna write a song someday called The Shadow and the Ant. because greater is he who is in me, the Holy Spirit, than he who is in the world. but Satan he's just an ant, you know, the battle's already been won. He's just doing little skirmishes just to distract and try to destroy, you know, God's people.
But he's just a little ant. So what he does is he tries to position himself just right to block out the light so he would cast a huge shadow. But if you just look at him and you go, oh, it's just you. You're just an ant, you know, I belong to Jesus, and because of the cross, Jesus belongs to me.
So get out. He's just, he's gotta go.
That's good. we'll look forward to that song.
Well guys, this has been, special for me. and I think the people who will listen to this are going to be blessed and encouraged. I feel like there's a lot of, things that we can build on. And I'm grateful for both of you.
I'm grateful for you guys. and, you will forever be heroes in the right kind of way. because I know your hearts. And so thanks.
from friends at One Collective, we are grateful. For you as well. So 📍 thanks
Well, folks, thanks for joining us on the collective impact 📍 📍 📍 📍 📍 podcast
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it's been fun for you. I think there was a lot of things we were able to learn, through this time with Phil and Randy. And, uh, so if you'd like to know more about One Collective or check out some of our other podcasts, go to onecollective. org slash podcasts. It was good to be with you today and we look forward to seeing you next time. Take care guys. Bye bye
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